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The class what a lot of fun. I sure do have a sore shoulder, however. For how the Pardner pump did, click here.

I took the Pardner to the shotgun defense class today. I put a total of about 100 rounds through it and it functioned flawlessly except the two times I short-stroked the slide and caused a jam. I was the only one there with a "budget" home defense shotgun. One fellow had an older hunting pump (and I never got a close enough look at it to be able to tell what it was.) There was a new Charles Daly and a couple of Mossbergs. I was impressed with the Daly.

You can't rely on Nutnfancy for accuracy when it comes to some technical details on guns. For example, in his M&P 360 review the gun he's actually reviewing is the 360PD. He spends the entire video calling it the M&P 360. He even weighs it and comments on how his weighs less than what the S&W catalog lists. Well...duh. The 360PD does weigh less than the M&P 360 because it has the Ti cylinder.

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We were told to bring 20 slugs, 20 buckshots, and 50 birdshot.

I made the mistake of waiting until the day before the shotgun class to go buy shells. I wound up having to go to three stores to find buckshot and slugs. I went to Dick's first and the only buckshot they had was 3" magnum and the only slugs they had were those expensive sabboted kind. So I went to Academy. They didn't have any slugs and only 3" magnum buckshot. So I wound up at Wal-Mart and they had what I wanted: regular slugs and non-magnum 00 buck.

If the gun is used as a duty or carry weapon, hammer down on a loaded chamber is the way to carry it. That means the first shot is DA unless you take the time to cock the hammer. One of the things I lecture on at the SC Gun School is limiting your liability for CWP holders. Cocking a gun that is capable of being fired DA is one way to increase your liability in a CWP shooting.

Probably not. I'm just saying that with the level of customization that was available from Colt, S&W, and others at that time, it's not out of the question that an 1873 was delivered with an 1877 grip frame.

Colt at that time would make almost anything to special order, so while these repros are somewhat anachronistic, it's not inconceivable that originals could have been made.

If you're talking about the 1878, the answer is no. I don't think any of the Italian houses even make reproductions of the 78.

Guys, let's keep to the rules for the classified section. Here's one of them: * Classifieds threads are NOT to be used for discussion of the item or items mentioned in the original ad. Questions pertaining to clarification or seeking additional information are allowed. Other than that, discussion is not allowed.

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If it's like knew, I'd jump all over it for $300.

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Have you considered a Browning Buckmark?

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Unlike Lt. Col. Nutnfancy, I'm not a big Kel-Tec fan. And their shotgun didn't really pique my interest all that much.

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No problem. I just want true "gun guys" to make a concerted effort NOT to perpetuate Internet rumors about guns. Is it possible that Ruger and Kimber worked out a deal once Kimber decided not to put the KPD into production? Sure. And there is nothing wrong with framing the topic like that. But absent some solid references it's just not good to state something as fact when it's just supposition. An example is the JC Higgins Model 20 shotgun I posted about. I kept reading on several forums and blogs that this gun was either directly based on the Remington Model 31 or another Remington patent that was never produced. I bought this for a while and then decided to start searching the patents issued to High Standard, the maker of the gun. And wadda ya know...it's an original design by a High Standard engineer who had worked at Winchester. So why were people spreading it around that it was based on the 31? Because the gun, and especially the action itself, looks like the 31! But if you compare the patent drawings you can see the differences and what you realize is that the designer of the Model 20 was drawing on both the Winchester Model 12 and the Remington Model 31 as the inspiration for his original design.

From the blog you linked above: "...and the [Ruger] M77 rifle is a copy of the tried and true Mauser bolt action." ABSOLUTELY a false statement. Where do people come up with this stuff? It looks like a Mauser so it must be a copy. It looks like the KPD so it must be a copy.

I'd never run across the KPD before, but in looking at some photos it clearly looks like the SR9 but I don't think they are the same gun.

Yup. Well, traded it, actually...for the S&W 360.

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I saw where you posted the same thing over on the Glock forum so I figured you had a source.