G-MAN
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So it's pinned and brazed? Have there been failures?
None that I've ever heard of. It was done in an effort to lower the manufacturing costs but I'm sure it works just as well.
It's odd that you hear people on the various forums lambaste these guns because they are made in China, yet they are actually made the way the 870 used to be made. Another example is the extractor: Modern 870s use an aluminum one; the H&R/Norinco uses one made of forged steel.
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What kind of modification, you talking threads or some sort of internal mods?
I'm not sure. I've read a few posts about it on various shotgun forums, but I didn't pay too much attention because it's not a mod I plan to do. I just remember modifications were necessary to make it work.
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Just to clarify, even though the H&R uses the "older" 870 action, it's not subject to the jamming issues from a shell that slips past the shell stop that plagued older 870s. Remington's fix for this was to mill out recess in the bolt and put a "tab" in the carrier so that even if a shell slips past the stop it won't jam the action and it can still be cycled.
The H&R/Norinco solution is much more simple and elegant: They recontoured the carrier so a shell that slips can only go so far, and can't go far enough to jam up against the bottom of the bolt. Makes you wonder why Remington took the more complicated route.
And by way of further clarification, I was in error calling this a "licensed" copy of the 870. The original 870 patent has expired, but Remington's patent on the "flexitab" carrier and related mods to the bolt and slide to fix the aforementioned problem has not expired. That's why the makers of the H&R/Norinco had to come up with their own solution.
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Do you think a mag extension for an 870 will work on the Pardner?
Not without modification to the mag tube.
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I commented before on how the H&R Pardner pump is a licensed copy of the 870 action. It's actually a copy of the OLDER 870 action (pre "Flex-tab"). On the new 870 the slide assembly is made from two pieces of steel that are brazed together. However, the slide assembly on the Pardner is machined from a solid block of steel!
Here's the 2-piece 870 slide:
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Originally Posted By: CamuMahubahIs Remington producing this gun or just putting their name on it?
Good question. Remington is making them for E-RPC in Ilion, NY.
E-RPC is a wholly owned subsidiary of Remington, and (I think) was created solely for the purpose of marketing and promoting their 1911. Why they did this is open to speculation, but could have been done for liability and/or tax reasons.
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If I were in the market for a 1911, and this was within my budget, I'd give it a try.
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I'm a stickler about spending $1000!!!
OK OK I'm kidding, but sheesh...that's a lot of dough...
No, Steve S. Dr. Stickler, what do you think about the NEW Remington 1911?
Don't get sucked into the "1911's below $1000 are crap" nonsense.
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I agree. A couple guys at work don't like RIA 1911's. But they are never specific about what they don't like.
Do they own RIAs and/or have experience with them, or are these "1911 snobs"?
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Just quickly scanning the web I found out they are not clones and don't fetch much and had issues. Guy is asking $425 FIRM. I'll pass.
You'd be much better off getting one of these.
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I sold mine last year. Keep in mind that these are NOT 1911 clones, so 1911 parts (with the possible exception of SOME magazines) will not interchange.
Even if the gun is like new, never been fired, don't pay over $250.
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I think I'm going to wind up with one of these.
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Wondering if that Bisley grip is an improvement, what? Carry on...
Elmer preferred it for taming the recoil of his 44 Special loads that were as hot as modern 44 Magnum loads.
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The Vaquero was Ruger's first real "clone" of the Colt SAA.
The Blackhawk was patterned after Elmer Keith's No. 5. And a new Blackhawk with a Bisley grip frame is very close indeed.
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Originally Posted By: G-MANLooks good, Pablo. Here's some trivia for you: What gun was Bill Ruger trying to emulate when he introduced the Blackhawk in 1955.
The Colt SA, no doubt.
Yeah, but which one? And I literally mean "one."
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Looks good, Pablo. Here's some trivia for you: What gun was Bill Ruger trying to emulate when he introduced the Blackhawk in 1955.
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I just wonder if the new P210 will be finished to the same level inside and out as the old one. The original P210 was not a product of SIG-Sauer but SIG and I don't even think SIG has any gun production facilities in Switzerland any longer. I'm not even sure they still exist.
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Originally Posted By: G-MAN
That's the guy, but I was looking for some DIY stuff.
EDIT: I did email him for a quote.
He sells a do-it-yourself DVD:
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Originally Posted By: G-MAN
The Rossi can be slicked up. Most of 'em are rough out of the box, but you can tear 'em down and polish and hone and transform the action.
I saw a guy in Cowboy Action newspaper who does this - but I'm thinking I will do it myself. Have you run across any articles on this very subject?
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Update: The Rossi R92 in 454 I ordered came in, what a disappointment! I cycled the action a few times and man that thing was rough, I told them they could keep it. I did fondle a Blackhawk that cought my eye though!
The Rossi can be slicked up. Most of 'em are rough out of the box, but you can tear 'em down and polish and hone and transform the action.
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I started at 20 yards, then backed down to 10. I found the 9mm semi to be a vicinity weapon........I kid, I kid!! But seriously a number of shots did not connect with paper with the Sig. I don't think any of Blackhawk shot missed completely.
C'mon now. The P225 is a sweet shooter. This was the first 8 round I fired through mine:
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Did you fix the jams quick? Are you gonna drop the shottie and go for the revolver on your hip when it jams?
If I were doing the full-blow tactical shotgun part of the class, I would have. But since the only thing I will use this gun for is home defense, I did not do that part of the class.
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Me doing the "walking backward, shooting, and taking cover" exercise:
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Here's a pic from the class today. That's me with the big gut and black shirt.
Remington 870 and H&R Pardner comparison review
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