Trapper

Pablo, I'm sure you know that a scout rifle is suppose to be short to swing easily. Light for long carry periods. And low in maintenance. Unless you are just in love with the cross breed Ruger, might take a look at the Remington Model 7. It's lighter than the published specs of the Ruger and shorter. Considering the synthetic stock and stainless version, it's about as "scout" of a rifle as there is for a bolt gun.

It's not correct to say a primer is hotter although it seems that's the way most folks refer to primers. The difference is the brisance of the primer. Brisance is defined as follows: The rapidity with which an explosive develops its maximum pressure is a measure of the quality known as brisance. A brisant explosive is one in which the maximum pressure is attained so rapidly that the effect is to shatter any material in contact with it and all surrounding material. Magnum primers have more brisance.

The only exposure I've had to this round is a friend that has an Encore chambered for it. I hate to admit to being a wuss but that's a little much for me. I see no need for such an animal.

Jeez, that reads just like the advertising crapola from a motor oil maker. They say it was submerged for 18 months. Most likely, submerged in the fluid there was little to no oxygen available to form the rust. I've not used the product but I don't leave any ammonia products in my barrels more than an hour tops. Normally, I don't use any ammonia products to remove copper fouling. I use non chlorinated brake cleaner. While it is a great solvent and removes all of the powder residue instantly, the cold and the dissimilar metals makes the copper fouling get loose. A real tight dry patch after spraying removes any lead or copper fouling. Caution though, the cleaner can soften and remove the finish from a wood stock.

Pablo, I have a 10" Ruger match target and I shoot the conversion more than it. The Kimber conversion I have is more accurate. Not saying the Ruger won't shoot match quality groups, just the Kimber is that good. I also get to practice with the 45 trigger for competition shoots where knowing the break of the trigger is everything. Don't count the conversions out. FWIW, my brother has an ACE and he also has a conversion of a different brand that I don't remember the name. The Kimber out shoots all of his. Maybe it's the target trigger on the Grand Raptor or maybe the Raptor fits our hands better, I don't know. But it's nice to shoot with little to no recoil and then slip on the 45ACP slide and nothing but recoil changes. It's certainly improved my 50 yd pistol marksmanship.

Can't say for a Glock but I bought a Kimber conversion for my Grand Raptor. With match ammo it will shoot with a match rifle at 25 yds with a barely ragged hole common. At 50 yds it spreads out to about 1 1/2" group. It's a hoot to shoot and if you want to learn the trigger on that Glock, the conversion makes for a cheap lesson learned.

Okay, I'm bored. So I thought I would ask for those loading 158 lead bullets in the 357 mag, what loads are favorites? I got some 158 RNFP bullets from Renegade which is a local caster, a real nice, well cast bullet. For powder I've got lots of Unique, Green Dot, H110, 2400, and 231. Just looking for accurate plinkers to run out of the Pythons.

I think I hate you...........no, after careful consideration, I know I hate you. But I love yer Colt.

I don't see the need for a 22 only 1911 platform when you can buy the Kimber conversion for about 200 bucks. I have one of the conversions and it's almost rifle accurate with the right ammo. Why buy a 22 only when you can have both. Also makes for "learning" the trigger for the 45 slide using the cheaper 22 ammo.

I have no clue what BITOG has to do with the thread here but I don't have to justify any gun purchase to the other half. Her dad built custom rifles, had a blueing tank, did gun smithing, and was on the Board of Directors of the NRA years back in the Neal Knox era. Her philosophy is put the money they want for the gun in one hand and the gun in the other hand. Put down the one you don't want. She'd rather buy guns than groceries. Nope, she's not for rent or trade.

I'm using Rustban from Enjay Chemical out of Houston. It's supposedly designed for offshore drilling rigs and is made by ESSO. I've used it on a Mossberg 500 while at the coast and the gun has been under the salt water a few times. It has zero rust on it and never has had any. It does leave a slight film that you can see if you look for it. It is an almost colorless liquid about like water. I think I paid less than $10.00 for a quart of it years back. It goes a LOONNGG way. Get a rag damp with it and you can do about 20 rifles with it. As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing else better.

I have a hard time liking any Nikon scope. I've got one but it's not the particular model you're looking at and I just can't like it. Of the many scopes in the vault room, it's by far the worst. I do not like the side focus. I've become lazy I guess and having to jack with for every shot is just plain stupid. My others just set it and forget it but not the Nikon. It's not near as clear as some of the cheap scopes and forget low light conditions. Mine is 4.5-14 power. I have a Burris of the same power that is much, much clearer and will go easily into low light conditions. I like it much better than the more expensive Leupolds that I have. I even like the cheap Millett 6-18 scope I bought for less than $70.00 than any Nikon I've ever looked thru. The Millett is another one- set the focus and forget it. It far, far clearer than any Nikon and works in low light. I'd keep looking before buying a Nikon.

While I understand Hatcher was in good position to record some of "his" findings, he's not a favorite of mine. I guess his support of the Pedersen rifle and lack of interest in the Garand is probably it for me. But to support a rifle that had a toggle action like a Luger and ammo that required lubrication so it would load is not exactly my idea of intelligent. But thanks many times for the link. I'll be spending a good amount of time reading his notebook and some of the other articles as well.

Well I'll stick my opinion in here. I don't think of any military rifle when describing a gun as a scout. The first thing that comes to mind a trapper version of a lever gun. It's light, easy to swing, easy to carry, decent capacity, and has enough power to kill most game in the area. In Texas a 30-30 is more than enough power to for hunting or for protection. As kids we used to have to carry a gun but I really don't remember why but my step dad was adamant about leaving the house with a gun. I had a Marlin trapper version of the 336 that I carried tons of miles. It was my scout gun. If I were to go see my brother at Laredo where seeing a drug dealer in the brush is common, a lever gun is far better than a bolt gun if you have a clue how to use it. It beats a heavier military rifle too.

Glad ya dropped by. I can always use another guys experience with the steel. It was probably me that had the issues at the "other" website. I really didn't like the site anyway. I thought there was a lot of arrogance and down talking from a select few that was not tolerated from the general masses. Regardless, make sure to put this site on yer daily travels. Hopefully we can get this thing mojivin' and learn from each other.

What sucks Pablo is the gun that got stolen from me. Back when Colt made the Cub in 380, they quit making them and sold the machinery to an over seas bunch. FIE started to import them but the new owner was still stamping the Colt logo on the slides. Colt filed on them and took possession of the guns with the exception of a handful....like 5 guns. I bought a FIE from an elderly lady that wanted it out of the house after her husband died. When I was reading an article about them in one of the gun rags I decided to look at mine. And there it was, the Colt logo on a FIE gun. Almost a priceless weapon to a Colt collector. It walked off about 2 months later with several Mark One 03 Springfields, a Winchester Sniper Garand complete with scope and accessories, and a Python. That's when I found out just how worthless NRA insurance was. Don't ask.

I'd be interested in how it shoots. A web friend is considering buying one and he asked at a different forum and it got nothing but bad mouthed. Apparently everyone thinks SIGs quality is in the toilet. I personally find that hard to believe. All things considered, if yers shoots good, I'll probably be in the market for one. I like what I saw at the linky you posted. Did you buy from a local shop or internet?

I have got to try those! My little brother is a trapper in South Texas and a lot of his ranches are close to the Mexican border. Unfortunately, the odds are great that you'll run into a drug dealer hauling cash or drugs in the brush. If they see you, they come straight to you and it isn't to pass pleasantries. We have for decades practiced shooting off hand at 25 yds. The last time we practiced, we decided maybe that's not good enough so we moved out to 50 yds. We have been shooting 12x 12" steel plates and hitting it every shot has not been an issue but I think shooting at a target like these will sharpen the skills significantly. Now I have to get real sharp with my usual carry gun at this range. Last time was with a Python but the carry piece is a 40SW or a 45acp.

I really couldn't see what the guy was carrying but how did he expect to get the instructions when he had his hearing protection on his head? Kinda hard to follow instructions if ya can't hear 'em! While I watched the first year of Top Shot with a lot of interest, this year it's almost a comedy show. Paint balls, axes, what next-skipping rocks? And some of the shots these "experts" can't seem to make- what's up with that? My little brother would beat those guys bad but then again, he is a natural shooter, darn it all. But as bad as some of those guys are, I believe I stand a chance to win it.

Might as well skip to the next step in shooting- reloading. Might wanna pick up a Lyman Loading Manual and start reading. Then you'll really see some accuracy from that palm thumper and then, like I said earlier, you'll want another one...and then another one...and then. It's a disease and it sounds like you have it. Welcome to the insanity.

Ya know, we have a few Garands from the common ones to the Winchester snipers still in the green packs with all of the accessories. So obviously we read a lot although I'm the reader of the family. Barry s post has more info in it than all of the articles I've read over the years. I knew the Garand had a few design issues when it first came out but never knew what they were. I was not aware of the gas system on the early models. Thanks for the post and the info. If you have more info to share, I'm a fan.

Well, I guess I'm a complete idiot. I called my brother to see if he knew anything about these- he's a major Colt collector and he said, "Well dimwit, we own one". I vaguely remember the gun but it's been years since it's been out of the gun vault. Looks like I have something to look forward to next time I go home. Pablo, the comments about the website. I was a member there and asked in a thread if anybody had any experience with a Colt Double Eagle. A real simple question that I posted in the Colt forum. I was banned for 10 days because of it. Seems that posting a non-1911 item in the Colt forum is paramount to shooting the president. I don't need morons like that or care to have anything to do with twits of that caliber. A simple PM would have been a realistic approach, not banning a person. It's the only site I've ever had any issues.

I've never seen one in the Colt Catalog, never seen one in 38 special on a 1911, and I've never heard of one before. Doesn't mean it can't happen. I will not belong to the group at 1911.org so the pics do not come up. I'm certainly not going to join that bunch either so I didn't get to see the pics. Might consider a copy and paste here for those of us that are a little more picky about the sites we frequent.

Be the first to tell ya opinions are like noses, not all are the same and most smell. As we say in the country, no matter how you dress a pig, it's still a pig. Doing all of the work and buying the parts certainly does not make it worth near what you'll have in it. I'd put the money on anything but a Mini 14 platform.

My brother has one and the 357 uses the same clips as the 40. If you need more clips, they were not an easy find and as I remember he paid like $50.00 for extras, each. You might be able to find them cheaper but that's what they were going for when he had a hard time finding them. If you intend to load for the 357Sig, we need to chat as it is a major pain in the backside. Not all 9mm bullets will work and because of the short neck, not all pistol powders are ideal and a factory crimp die is needed. We have found the best place to get brass is at the local police dept- it's free here. Otherwise, I see no need for ever owning a 357 SIG. It does nothing that others can't do at a fraction of the cost. Might wanna check with the local gun shops and check on ammo. Most in Texas do not carry it anymore. It's a dying round that the LEOs carry because that's what is issued.